this reminded me of something i posted in a devilstick post when the "trick copyright issue" came up so i´ll just quote it
" lets start some 14 years ago when i started devilsticking, i was 10
years old and after a few weeks of devilsticking i joined this youth
juggling club with a trainer and 3 gorgeous girls who where
significantly older than me who all have been really good at
devilsticking for that time (double propeller in progress, partner
devilstick tricks i´ve never seen before etc). i spend all my time on
Devilsticks (took me 3 years to learn the 3ball basic cascade) and it
was totally normal that i would come to my trainer severall times a
training to show him the new trick i invented... which he always knew
and could do. clearly that pissed me of so i would go and invent more to
prove i´m awesome but what i didn´t understand back then was the
following... it´s not important if someone found a trick before you, all
that counts is that you found it on your own/in your own brain and
therefore this trick is now yours... sure u might have to share it but i
guess we can deal with that.
well things changed..
there was youtube and juggling conventions (thx markus for crushing my
believes of what would be possible) and i spend some years to just find
every trick out there and learn it. this have been good times but i
guess around 16 or 17 years old it slowed down until i had the feeling i
had learned basicly every trick out there with the exeption of some
super hard 2D tricks and a few jigsaw and helicopter variants i still
not like and therefore can´t do today.
while it might
have been wise to just become a club juggler like everybody else at the
time i started inventing again. wrist rolling and toss juggling elements
have been the first thing i researched and i found lots of stuff. well
there wasa one moment i still remember when i was watching florent
lestages - bonobo video (if you don´t know it google it know!!!!!!!!!!)
which i had seen at least 20 times before and i realised he was doing a
trick i invented 2 month before. this means for 2 month i was completly
convinced to be the inventor of this trick but actually the trick has
been done before and i watched it in video 20 times before inventing
it... i guess this was the moment (even if i didn´t realised it back
then) when i stopped believing in inventing tricks but build the theory
that all tricks are out there and you just have to find them. they are
there already so you can´t invent them just pic them up like a beautiful
flower or a strange thing that lies on the floor but you cant figure
out what it is so you take a closer look.
a year or two
later i finished school and went to my second ejc ever. i meet eljoh
(nikkis husband awesome guy) on the first day and while we had this chat
he showed me this new technique he invented but couldn´t do. "anti tic
tac" i was thrilled... i practised and explored it... a lot and today ?
well i havent invented it and actually i´m pretty sure some japenese
stickers worked out the same technique themself at the same time but i
explored it, i shared it, i uploaded videos i explored more shared more
and now a few years later where at a point where i these tricks get
common goods... which is awesome
fast forward to ejc
toulouse i think. it was before the battlestick tournament so a group of
like 30 stickers was chilling, showing of, talking, sharing when we
figured out that both me and ali basicly invented the same trick in the
same year without talking or sharing it in any way. none of us knew when
he actually found the trick or when we were able to do it but actually i
believe we found it on the same day and qualified it on the same day
too... thats just how it is
i guess the same happend
when me and casper both found out that 3handsticks rule and actually i´m
convinced that tony pezzo had the idea around the same time"
so basicly i don´t care who found or did a trick first, all i care is if you´ve found it totally on your own, or on your own but you had other techniques/people/tricks inspiring, you or it has been given to you after you inspired somebody to think of a trick.
but these things are hard to proof... and while i try to give credits as much as i can sometimes there´s no opportunity. If i play a show it will ikely continue standarts, some of my tricks, some tricks people found for me and tricks that i invented but i know others invented them to...
same if i play in a park/juggling meeting/convention... there´s no way to give credit and i can´t stop people from assuming i invented a trick they´ve never seen before (damn i had a muggler who thought i even actually invented devilsticks)
nevermind got lost in my thoughs and i don´t know what to say anymore and this topic is so complicated that i´ll make a cut here and go to sleep...