Follow the idea from the Ethics of Juggling World Records thread i opened this one to discuss
how juggling props could be defined and seperated from each other to make juggling world records more
The JISCON rules are very vague here
"Clubs, balls, and rings are the recognized categories of objects juggled. Balls, which include beanbags, must be roughly spherical objects. Clubs, which include sticks and batons, must be long roughly cylindrical objects. Rings, which include plates and hoops, must be flat, roughly circular objects. The Committee shall determine the acceptability of any object in the category claimed for it.
No object may be thrown in such a way as to have aerodynamic lifting qualities, such as a flying disk, nor be so light as to be significantly affected by air resistance, such as balloons, scarves or feathers. "
It seems especially weird that clubs and sticks are threated the same way. In their FAQ JISCON writes about this topic:
"Why do you consider sticks and clubs to be the same thing?
For practical and historical reasons.
It proves to be surprisingly difficult to come up with a rule that precisely differentiates between sticks and clubs. Many of the "numbers" clubs, for example, are deliberately very "stick-like" in their design. Many sticks have a knob at one end like clubs.
It has been argued that sticks can be caught on the wrong end and clubs cannot without difficulty. This would imply that sticks thrown with an integral number of spins should be treated as clubs, but if they are thrown with half spins they should not. As well as being arbitrary this is extremely difficult to verify. In addition it is possible to catch a club backwards and continue and this would in no way invalidate a record. Sticks merely make it easier to do so.
The IJA, in its Numbers Challenge, permitted the use of sticks or clubs in the club competition (in particular, at the 1995 competition, one competitor entered with "numbers" clubs, one with batons, and one with sticks). Although this committee is distinct from the IJA, considerable inspiration for our rules and prop categories was drawn from them.
We fully agree that sticks may be easier than clubs at higher numbers, for several reasons (you can hold more in your hands, easier to catch, lighter, etc.). However, it is easier to juggle clubs made out of plastic than wood and most people juggle plastic clubs for that reason.
Finally, it is the position of this committee that there are three kinds of props: flat and circular (rings/hoops), long and cylindrical (sticks/clubs), and roughly spherical (balls/beanbags).
The committee is aware that this is a rather controversial decision and we hope that the reasons listed above go some way towards explaining our position. "
While i believe a definition for clubs, balls, and rings is the most urgent i would like if this debatte also included other props like: balance object, diabolo, devilsticks, cigarboxes, staffs, poi, chainsaws etc.
Finding these definitions will not only help to make records more comparable but adding more well defined props will make the competition open to more jugglers.